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First try out of portable battery HF communication with the eagle one Antenna on my Polaris.

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I was intrigued with this rotor since it is the first to use the FTA type DiSEqC control interface. Actually I never thought of this approach, even though I did have a FTA dish and DiSEqC motor.
The obvious advantage is you use only one cable between the control box and the rotor. The control to turn the rotor is through the coaxial cable. They do warn you of two things;
1. They recommend pure copper center conductor rather than the more popular copper covered steel which is less expensive. If you do use the cheaper cable it has a limit of 75'. With the pure copper the limit is 200'.
2. You are restricted to what pre-amp you use. The limit is 50ma at 17vdc.
Unfortunately, the price has gone up somewhat from initial release. To my surprise, of all companies WinegardDirect is now selling these and at the lowest price;

It's also available through Amazon (Beach Audio).;

The owners manual is here;

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Ok, now for the bad news. There is no free ride with this single cable deal as I suspected. Their specs claim a loss of only 1db per device (2db total). Well, at certain frequencies that is true, but there are a few exceptions.
My measurements with a Spectrum Analyzer show a loss insertion loss depending on frequency. There are losses between 3 & 4db around the following frequencies; 493 (ch 17), 601 (ch 35-36), 675 (ch 47-48) & 710 MHz (ch 53-54).
This doesn't include the loss for each fitting in and out of the rotor & control box (probably around another 2 db total).
On the 1st attachment, two vertical divisions from the left is 470 MHz and one division from the right is 806 MHZ which is the current UHF TV spectrum. As you can see the trace is anything from flat. I did the test twice checking the 'null' of the scope with just the jumpers in line, then with both units connected.
BUT, there is a easy solution; Run a separate cable (or wire since you don't need to use another coaxial cable for a control signal) as you have done in the past and solder it to a 'F' fitting at either end and run your downlead as before. Done!
Ok, then what's the big deal? Repeated accuracy.
Any of the Channel Master clones imported from China are notoriously inaccuate especially if you 'rock' the rotor back and forth to 'tweak' the position of the antenna. No matter how many times you 'Zero' the rotor and control box out doing a full turn to 360 degrees and back to 0 degrees, it will never be accurate. Even with the solid state remote control box that Channel Master offers (9537), it doesn't help (much to my disappointment).
For the tests;
I ran the rotor in both directions. 52 seconds was the duration between 0 and 360 degrees. Unlike all other CM 'clones' this rotor will go to 450 degrees which means you don't have to go all the way around just to go from 10 degrees to 350 degrees. There is no 'north' stop.
I rocked the rotor back and forth a number of times and it stayed within spec which is 2 degrees of accuracy.
One thing I did notice was the readout of the control box was faster than the speed of the rotor. Doing a 0 to 360, the readout reached 360 long before the rotor did. It was repeatedly off by 45 degrees. IOW's the box said 360, but the rotor was only at 315. Same in going the other direction. When the box read 0, the rotor was at the 45 degree point.
Mind you, it didn't affect the final result. The rotor just keeps turning until it gets to where it should. I plan to contact the manufacture and inquire.
Current consumption was measured at .07 amps when in standby and .08A in the 'on' state. This is another device that is never 'off'. To me, even though it isn't much, to draw 5-6 watts when the device isn't doing anything is just poor design.
I measured .13 amp when the rotor was turning and under high stress (holding the rotor with both hands to try to stop it from turning) the load was.18 amp. The box does get slightly warm after a while, but it didn't seem excessive.

The 2nd attachment is the circuit board inside the rotor. Note on the right the solder joints for the F fittings.

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The following are pics of the interior of the rotor with the bottom plate removed (above w/ the circuit board), the gear assembly, the housing without the main plate and the main shaft of this rotor showing the ball bearing race. There was no shortage of grease applied. Also note the two main bearings are brass.

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I contacted the company and they confirmed the timing difference (if you will) between the readout of the control box and the actual position of the rotor.
I brought up a perfect example of why this is bad. If you are hunting for the best 'spot' for a certain station and are doing a 0-360 (or vice a versa) and find a spot, when you take note of the readout, it will be incorrect as the readout doesn't track' with the rotor. He agreed and said he will bring that up with engineering (hopefully it will be addressed).
Regarding feeding the rotor with a separate power feed, here are shots of a piece of RG6 & a 20 gauge pair stripped. RG59 is all you need and if the run is short, say 30' or so, 22 gauge is ok. Much longer runs use 18. I prefer 20 gauge, but it is hard to find. Don't use 24 gauge, its too small.
Solder the conductors together being sure there aren't any strands of the shield wrapped around the center conductor (easy to have happen), tape, or better yet use heat shrink, then heat shrink the whole splice. The example was RG6, but RG59 is a better choice since it is more flexible and loss is of no issue. The connector used was a older (discontinued) early 'compression' fitting from Raychem.

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Originally Posted by videobruce I surely hope so, since that is what I have. The only ones I would question are those very long combos' (VHF/UHF w/ a 150' plus boom) or a 'stacked' array of UHF antennas. The turning torque isn't the major problem, it's the constant 'rocking' of the antenna on windy days.

I assume the TB-105 support bearing shown on the attached document would help with the rocking problem. That's what I intend to use.

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Did you have a chance to install the rotor yet?
Thanks,
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There weren't 'issues' with analog??







The rotor boxes of both are around the same size. How do you figure it 'looks like a toy'?
The motor is smaller, but it is the gearing that does the work. It surely isn't a CD-45 MkII;
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...ot/hygrot.html
Here is a site that sells and repairs amateur radio rotors (which includes TV rotors);
http://www.rotorservice.com/
90%+ of these offer position feedback as this model does. Also note the price.
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I meant the drive unit is so much smaller than the CM, it *looks* like it wouldn't be able to to turn anything but a small yagi. It's actually so much smaller that I had to put a block of wood behind it so it would stick out from the mast far enough to not bind my support bearing.
I've actually got a few CDE rotors on hand, so I did consider throwing an AR-22 up there. But it would have required running a new 4 wire cable, which would be a royal pain. Plus, I'd loose the ability to control it with my remote, which I'd really miss... And the old clicker type rotors still loose sync from time to time.

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